Inside BB-8 – Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project – 9/10/19

Inside BB-8 – Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project – 9/10/19


welcome to still entitled the Adam
Savage project I’m norm I’m Adam and I’m Matt Denton Matt it’s good to see you in
the shop finally it’s nice to be you we’ve been trying to meet for a long
time yep and you have actually been to San Francisco and been to the cave and I
happen to be out of town on a gig at that very moment so this is the second
try indeed yeah why I’m bad and we passed I think we crossed paths at the
Maker Faires well then we in the Bay Area start yeah yeah early this year yep
ah well a little bit about like it’s a little bit a background for people who
may or may not know who you are but you’re you you’re in the States in town
for d23 yep or some big announcement but you work with Lucasfilm correct for the
most recent Star Wars films yes indeed the last films yes five I’m gonna count
them up yeah five films obviously one of them’s not come out yet but oh right
okay yeah engineering hands yeah so my background is animatronics for films I’m
a freelancer and yes for the last five years I’ve worked on all Star Wars
productions my speciality is the control systems and electronics for animatronic
creatures and droids which is great freaking awesome it’s
like we’ve gone to the source yeah we’re talking about like a BBA yes seriously
is that’s what you were at events like the 23r and premieres you are operating
offstage correct a bb-8 I know I might remember when I guess the
force awakens was first announced oh all the details and that robot came out
people are like how could this be because we just assumed looking at the
trailer well that can’t work yeah well we did as well in a way to be honest
when we started the film force awakens actually my counterpart Josh who’s like
the mechanical engineer on bb-8 he called me up and said I’m working on
project I can’t tell you what it is of course I guess what it is straight away
and I’m working on a new character and it’s a really tricky drive system could
you come and have a look and so actually when I went in at that point
we would go through the script and looking at the script and saying it’s
good working sans got to work on grass all that kind of thing we ruled out a
real bb-8 because we you know we have ILM we have yeah the digital artists
that can remove rods exactly where they are so we built seven versions of bb-8
two of them were radio-controlled trikes they had stabilizer wheels which
actually are really cool there’s one of the nicest droids are built just because
of the it’s got like an a command turning system it’s three wheel drive so
all the drives got a run at the right rates and doesn’t you know it’s
beautiful but and we have puppets when we had one called a wiggler which
doesn’t roll around but just sits on the spot and moves about just like the Kenny
Baker r2 that has the sneakers in right exactly so you can just sit there and do
its thing and it’s digitally clean right because you can bury the plate in the
sand or whatever but then we’ve got to the end of the film we were always
thinking about you know a droid that could actually red carpet as we call it
you know we thought well what are they gonna do when you get to a premiere we
can’t have like Brian the puppeteer pushing the puppet one along the big
green one sticking out yes yeah or the ones with the wheels or a bit
disappointing you know or they you can’t believe it but so Josh and myself kind
of went well maybe we should you know have a go at it it could be possible
there are rolling droids around or rolling robots around we gotta just
figure out it’s got to get the head on how to control it so you did the whole
first film without it being correct that is fascinating so we I’m sure I have a
question here which is I’m curious as when you developed the drive system for
it for real you had you had previously in making all the different versions of
it had ascertained the way in which it would navigate the way in which inertia
would cause it to settle and stop and I’m curious if there are any aspects of
the puppeteering that you realized later you were wrong about when you had it
actually driving by itself yeah you can’t mate you can’t do
everything that the puppet one can do shuttle II but one of the things that I
built into the trikes the radio-controlled ones is I pick up the
acceleration and deceleration curves from the software and I apply it to the
head motion for example right where I take off the head
in and stops and comes with it so I had all that reciprocal II what I was
wondering right so and you get that as I call it free animation because you’re
actually pulling off of real acceleration and dig syllabus yeah and
that reads really it’s perfect and and it felt really right to me physics that
you understand but at the same time I know that sometimes when you at when you
posit how something might move and then you do it for real like it might be
quite different or there might be new dance so and with and with the direct
carpet one I’ll usually dip the head down as I take off or you can feed it in
and have it automatic you know there’s several ways to do it interest new
though actually I’ll come back to that I mean
okay so see yeah the red carpet one we were saying right yeah I think we could
build it I think it’s doable let’s have a crack so I think we built it in five
weeks we did a five week build after the original red carpet one which I had no
paint on it was a gray sphere with a really ratty head but it looked pretty
good and so we did a little video and we filmed this video and we sent it to JJ
and Kathleen Kennedy I believe Neal Scanlan my boss sent it on to them and I
think we called it where’s Brian who’s the puppeteer and one of my main
but we’ve got Brian and David are two properties so there’s no green suit and
all that kind of thing and it came we just said you know would you be
interested in this if you want to chuck some more money at it we can make it
look like bb-8 we got a resounding yes you know yes
carry on here’s a bit more money and the deadline was Anaheim celebration which I
think was April and 2015 yeah and I think we had about six weeks in to get
it looking like bb-8 and making the alterations we wanted to make nice Wow
so yeah so that that was the red carpet the birth of the mark one red carpet but
interesting the interesting part about that so we just come back from d23
Anaheim and that’s where this whole thing started everyone thought that was
gonna be CG they’d seen the one rolling through the desert and then we’re on
stage and we know what’s coming out next and all that and we’d done a row one
rehearsal the night before I’d only been driving that for about a week at that
point for some reason when I got on stage I decided to do I was going to go
circumnavigate r2 on stage and a wire made it complicated for myself
so I’m then I’m running it running off a monitor and I’m going behind something
and I lose it for a bit and then it picks up again and I made it really I
don’t know why but in the in the moment it seemed like a cool thing to do it and
it will work tell but really funny when I came on stage with the mark 1 and JJ
hadn’t seen at this point no one has seen it and I drove on and rehearsal I
had the head dip down like you know he’s purposeful and he’s going somewhere and
JJ went yeah can you keep the head up no oh okay
you’d say that’s cool can you just keep the head up right you know I’d like some
time to think right because it was built into the forward motion tomorrow so then
I had to pull back on the head stick and drive forwards and trying to hit my spot
and remember to turn you know so it became one of those things and I think
to be honest on the day we did it I forgot and I just drove it on and the
heads kind of dip down a bit but that was the pop that footage on YouTube the
unveil and they pants in the audience and keyboar owner immediately I said
because it hit the Twitter immediately and I was like huh what
yeah is without a doubt you know my career highlight and I don’t think
you’ll ever topic you know that the feedback I was made with backstage and
you know everything in your heads going what emotion and I do remember that was
just this massive roar and Josh was I was looking back for Joshua’s behind me
somewhere you know and just kind of staring at but I’m still on stage trying
to concentrate in this is war and then it kind of calms down again and and JJ
starts talking and him and it it was just amazing I can’t you know that was a
one-off thing I don’t think I can’t imagine it ever happened again
that’s the entertainment equivalent of the launching of the iPhone and all the
last-minute engineering tricks the end to get that stage performance and you
know what we lost the battery we had one we had one bb-8 at that point now we
have multiples for backup but we had one and we were charging it up took it off
charge went to turn on and it wouldn’t work and I was like oh god I mean we
literally got nothing it’s completely dead so then we go and could it be the
you know the ring the power transmission ring it could it be there one of the
battery solder joints when it hit when the battery heated up when they were
charged in the that’s all did you want it cracked so we
have to say no he’s going for the batteries and one of them was open open
so it’s literally about two hours before we were going on so yeah classic curious
if you’ve if you’ve crossed paths with my friend Don bees I haven’t but Josh’s
worked with him Josh worked on the Phantom Menace and was helping young
bees with r2 on them yeah so Don bees was the r2 operator for many many years
he started out as the archivist at the Lucasfilm ranch when I met him at the
model shop in 98 he’d been a model maker for many years and specifically r2 was
his main project so I actually helped do a I took one of the original noroc
engineering Artoo’s and modified its two leg to three leg transitions or shot
from this from the second Star Wars film Roy noise episode 2 yeah it was really
funny and that was a pneumatic rig that would have taken your finger off if you
had your finger in the wrong place it was a terrifying it was like this yeah a
real death trap you have punched holes in titania with it you could almost no
no I don’t think so I think Iron Man would still win
I mean and since the release of episode 7 that kind of an end know the
appearance of BPA it’s launched a whole new category of toys and robotics yeah
of these kind of gyro sterilized robots and an also whole community of builders
who spent months trying to reverse engineer the things that you’ve been
doing do you I mean we’re keeping an eye on that and Coase we were yeah I’m
curious if there were anybody’s executions where you are like oh nifty
solution hadn’t concerned well well I’m gonna sound bighead even if I say no but
I don’t think there were there was things that we were amazed how fast
people got onto it you know that was the one thing and there was all that you
know the mead you were going mad about how does it work how’s the hit stay on
right is it you know and there was all sorts of people were being asked like
universities and engineering institutes and I remember one quote in a paper
where an engineer doctor of engineer and
somewhere in London and one of our universities just said you know there’s
a number of ways you could achieve that it doesn’t really matter how they did it
they executed it to perfection and I thought that’s it it says smoke and
mirrors it’s the magic trick we work in film it doesn’t matter how we did it
this is it you know it’s we did it for real and we and everyone believed it and
it was real and and this is my dad’s joke he used to smile used to say when a
dog is walking on its hind legs you don’t go oh how well is he walking
on his merrie you’re just like he’s walking a design like that’s enough for
everybody so he classified a whole level of performance says it’s a dog walking
on its hind legs no one’s gonna question it exactly but we did you know even say
that we did fall into the trap of like we were building it and you know we were
just we can get it to roll along and turn and the head works done and then I
was like I think I figured out a way you can spin on the spot cuz I was set on my
office chair do all this going if I do that I can kind of shuffle round on my
office chair so is that just inertia and so then I said to Josh could do you make
this bit spin the batteries if you spun all the batteries because that’s the
heaviest part and it meets oh and he’s got in the under sauce and you spin it’s
actually the it doesn’t really work if you just spin them and want to go in the
opposite direction I can’t break out friction ray it’s too much friction on
the ground so you saw me do it in the direction that you want to go and in
break it and then it transfers all that so that was one but that’s one of the
things on stage where people would first win oh wow look at it and then someone
on one of the Twitter feeds win how did he just do that it just follows and it’s
those little things that and like the mark one and I can say all this because
we released the designs for that on the celebration the following year when we
were on – mark – and we couldn’t figure out how to get the LEDs into the sphere
because it was a very thin fiberglass so then again I went we could laser project
and it sounds crazy and jostles going ha God will you because then he has to work
out where all that the lights are on the surface and we put a array of red blue
lasers and white talk as we use a focus magnet for the white and they project
out onto the outside of the sphere through lenses so there’s always know
exactly the orientation but they just figure just rotate with the axe oh my
gosh so that it’s once you’ve got them lined up they stay there and what’s
really interesting because there’s dubbins inside they would quite often
get shadowed by something and they blink so you get free blinking yeah Wow free
animation that is a remarkable solution I mean we moved on from that we yeah we
moved it because another it was another last-minute thought we can’t you know
that we couldn’t start messing around with the fiber that’s good enough time
so I was like well what about if we chucks and was there was there a
specific mechanical problem that kicked your ass more than any other hmm
well the poverty is the hardest part to be honest is building it in the sphere
with a reasonable one was like a ship in a bottle right josh is like how are we
gonna get it in and be able to repair it if if something does go wrong then you’d
have to crack a seam which you then have to refill which has to be on earth it
has to be perfect and repaint and we’re not painters you know and so that’s the
that was the real thing the ship in the bottle aspect of it yeah I would say
does the because you guys aren’t painters onset is scenic Department are
they keeping we have your version of bleeding we have painters we have a
creature effects painted called henrik stenson who’s painted all of us a lot of
our creatures and most of the bb-8 who’s incredible but we didn’t have him with
us in Anaheim so if something went wrong there and we
had to break it well we could either work through the Axis powers we have
which were kind of triangles about this big yeah yeah all there was you had to
bring it okay so that was the horrible aspect of it and you just got back from
d23 where you were performing 2.0 or 3.0 yes that’s well that’s kind of two point
one I would say so there’s a two point naught and then that was our production
model that was epic so once we built the red carpet then became part of our tool
kit all the BBS because there we have trikes we have puppets and we have a red
carpet one you know so that’s two point one because that’s a slight upgrade on
the two point naught but yeah and he did well he did very well
aired every well he was with r2 and the new droid do so which got released this
celebration just gone so yeah it did it good you know it’s a it’s an incredible
you can drive that bb-8 and r2 and do through a crowd of a list celebrities
and they’re all go crazy look there’s I mean having an r2 in my
shop I still every couple of days I’m like I can’t believe this beautiful
thing is my job I mean there’s a thrill to seeing these things in person at full
scale moving by themselves so is there a character and emotional connection is
true and we’ll Eve we’re even walking behind it was were most people don’t
care about us unfortunately but we’re literally so Salma Hayek like comes up
so oh my god droids and she’s looking at bb-8 nothing anything yes but then she’s
aha to my children about her she prefers our to acknowledge bb-8 you know the
r2d2 builder’s club wall-e builder’s club they all have that same story they
bring their Wally’s and there are choose two conventions and it’s the reactions
or it’s so rewarding every time it’s all its kids yeah everyone cry it breaks
down everyone though oh yeah yeah the thrill is real I mean it must say even
for you I’m sure that when you first fired it up in the shop and it’s moving
around there’s a moment of I love I really enjoy it my favorite part of my
job you know I’ve done 25 years in creature effects but actually my
favorite part has become doing live bb-8 performance is fascinating because it’s
actually when I was on Potter I started to notice this we on possibly built some
really incredible animatronics but it was all starting to go digital right we
were losing a lot of work to digital and one of the nicest things was the
Hippogriff that we built we built a fully standing Hippogriff which could
move one front leg one back leg the tower would move the wings would fully
unfold all feathered the head is obviously fully animatronic so you can
make it bow and you can do all those kind of stuff he never got used in the
film lived in the flat views we got on set and we we planted in the ground it’s
the scene where Harry Potter first meets Hippogriff uh-huh
I helped buck big and he goes up and supposed to touch him and basically the
director went oh okay take a step forward with buck Beaton we like
no it’s planted so that was that get rid of it
it’s digital ha but then became this incredible museum piece in our
department and kids would come in and we I’d have a running on the system
performing it but then I had a pre-programmed loop as well my boss
would come in and kind of go this is buck breeding you have to bow and there
will the kids would love it and bow and stuff and then they go him over there
like man behind the curtain with the controls and I’d hit a bust and I go no
it’s not me and I’d walk out with this pre-program Luke walk over to the
Hippogriff go bow and it would bow it’s a whole thing
yeah and then before they figured out that it’s on a loop I’d get back to the
controls change the parameters just as they think it’s just like I just
realized at that point I really loved doing that performance aspect of it
which was lovely and then and so being that my feedback yeah and the life
events uh bb-8 is doing the live bb-8 stuff is a massive extension from that
is there is there now having contributed to film history with a wonderful drive
system in this special bot are there have you gained appreciation for other
famous film robots or is there one you’d love to tackle hmm it too annoying I
love I mean I love my hexapods I’ve built are all statically stable but oh
well they tore nine and I love to Scout walkers I mean that’s the first model I
built I’ve got me a job in industry oh wow that’s built Scout Walker so yeah
right so I actually worked on a physics simulation of a scout Walker type droid
thing for one of the films we were working on but it never went anywhere
but I built the whole walking system in a physics environment I just never got
it to work for real and that’s another example of where you know that’s
stop-motion animator yeah exactly and so you have a human touch and human or
standing of animation so if you do it mechanically us can you replicate human
touch can you add the ability to walk down stairs that’s the tricky bit but then that’s
the whole thing you know that’s part that’s my job being that like it’s been
my job for the whole time in animatronic so I’m always trying to make robots not
look like a road so Anat because they’re creatures they
can’t look robotic so you have to add that human touch in and some of the hex
pods I built I put vision systems into them and stuff and I just add filters
like that damp the movement and stuff and people look so lifelike it’s really
simple tricks well I think is simple tricks just to take the edge out of the
flow of movement you know yeah so if I did do an ED two and I would definitely
make it I’ll try and mimic what feels right you know that the movement and the
flow and stuff well there’s the thing you said about BBH head going down you
get this extra animation is the Muppet ears do that too with their puppets so
specifically when you see a muppet that’s got like feathers on its head
yeah those feathers move get that and flavor yeah they become this extra bonus
in Russian that adds so much more life to the character so we did a count to
call six eyes for solo which we did we took on stage with us at celebration to
demonstrate because that is all of that ideas taken to the enth degree which is
when I saw it it has six eyes on stalks and I was like I’m putting an IMU in
this head that’s gonna attract the gyro and it’s going to attract the movement
so one of the hardest things when you’re performing eyes on somebody’s
animatronic face and someone else’s inside the suit you get no rehearsal
time so you know when when they’re gonna look right or when they’re gonna look
left and when your eyes should blink and go with them so with this system I
basically went to town with it and the whole all of the eyes basically tracked
the actors moments rather than be out you know the puppeteer I can still
puppeteer them I can take over menu control
raise three axis stereo just following you kind of follow it but also what I
did is when there’s grouse move I throw blinks in because generally speaking
when you when you do that it’s a really cheap trick with our most Ronix but if
you just blink when you change gaze you know cheap trick but it works and if you
look at that footage of us demonstrating that in Anaheim it’s it’s a beautiful
thing you know it’s really and that was taking so it’s taking that technology
another step further and trying to get more free animation you’ll proceed to
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conversation you’re reminding me of something that my friend Mike elizalde
did its spectral motion for one of the Hellboy films with the death puppet yes
I yes I’ve met him yeah I figured you across yes we’ve met mark Setrakian yeah
mark so sorry mark Setrakian it marks a Trekkie
and we went to spectral motion we visited there I think last year sometime
amazing job and they do incredible stuff Mark’s an alien but I love the fact that
all the eyes on that puppet just all actually tracked to each other yeah
which is one of those like wow yeah that’s that’s that’s what I love when
you can take something that you know are incredible builders good stuff or you
can built the six eyes mech and you know he put lights like nearly 60 servos in
that head oh my god and you know when you get something like that on your desk
and you think this is just a joy in some because you’re gonna have so much fun
getting it moving but it’s having the tools to do it you know I’ve been
working on control systems for so long that you know I’ve now got this lovely
toolkit of stuff that I can go home leave a stick that in there
yes fun it’s really good fun when you’re down in Anaheim did you get a chance to
go through and see the new animatronics in the galaxy’s edge though I did see
galaxies edge I didn’t see many I’ll tell what I did see one animatronic
actually and it was in one of the gift shops I think it was on the high-end
gift shop Connie what it’s called now and it’s the only one who’s one of our
creatures as well I know it along yes yeah yes beautiful yeah beautiful really
nice then that one has a great keep a life like to be anything yeah yeah yeah
and it’s just there’s the nice and again I’ve noticed they’re throwing blinks
when they change gaze and stuff yes beautiful I don’t view tricks and they
work for everybody yeah exactly it’s awesome and I very fortunately
visited three or four years back now Imagineering and they were working on
the big blue what was it for avatar under is new yeah but then they were
animating that in this really clever saloon they were animating that in like
you know an animation package in virtual animation and just transferring it
straight to the animatronic which is when you see things like Boston Dynamics
robots they’re big dog in their squad minis do you get excited about the
future of robots and how they might be able to work with us totally yeah no I
don’t get this it’s the apocalypse coming there’s always an off button and
they need charging still it’s fine you know my friend so rodney brooks a former
director of MIT Media Lab had this great phrase he said to me at a conference we
were at he said look we should definitely be scared about hyper
intelligent AI but not yet he’s like getting scared about it right now is
like discovering fire and worrying about thermonuclear war yeah it’s going to
happen but it’s gonna be a we’re gonna have a long time yeah exactly exactly I
don’t embrace it I love it you find the it’s a power still the big
gating factor right now I mean things balance power density yeah wait yeah I
mean you could run an off a small nuclear reactor but people are gonna
like that are they so it’s like okay it’s a nuclear spot mini it can run for
a PR disaster but right yeah you use one of those nuclear
heating units they lose in space is about a little Stirling engine on it run
forever they go yeah exactly further contaminating everybody attack
yes no I love the the Boston dynamic stuff is beautiful and the way they move
as well they’ve you know it’s just this is getting less and less robot like you
know the flow of the motion again it’s you know look at that thing
I’d love to get hold of one do some of my play with some of the algorithms or
some well so III I was at a conference last year and Mark raybert was giving a
demo about how spot mini moves through space which was totally amazing because
it’s really simple it can map the space and then it just it says okay if I move
with a gait of eighteen inches you know here’s where all my footprints were
appear as I navigate the path oh I’m hitting two obstacles okay let’s do
seventeen and a half inches and it just adjusts the gate until it hits no
obstacles on its way oh that’s nice is it brilliant and we’re looking at its
layout with green steps and red steps and it just has this algorithms is good
enough let’s start moving and it just with every step it takes it reassesses
what’s in front of it so yeah my mantis robot my giant heck support has no view
of its external world you know it literally only knows the world when it’s
touched it right so it’s doing it purely by touch so you can only assume that
everything in front of you is an obstacle so that’s why it moves quite
slowly right right right it’s running it’s like running for a
football field pitch blind or boulder field blind or whatever you know you
were just how hard is it it’s really hard to run blind so everything that it
touches once it’s touched it it knows how high it is and where it is and and
you know but by the time it’s hit an obstacle it’s probably two lakes it’s
crashed through it’s there’s 150 kilo leg a very different way of doing things
would do you it’s your ideal like being able to ride your robot to work
yeah sure open it what’s one Marlin hours way about one mile and about a
certain point you’ll be able to make one gallop two gallons per mile
to Galus I’ve heard that tanks and then fuel efficiency of a tank is often in
gallons per mile there you go great big power density it is yeah with the
full gallon tank you’re not getting very far so what are the personal projects
are that’s a personal project so I’m still doing my giant Lego stuff I
haven’t done some giant leaguer for a while but if you don’t know I scale up
1980s technical Lego kits which for me you know as much my love letter to Lego
cuz that’s what got me like bright and my engineering brain going was lego
technic in the late 70s and 80s so I started with them and just started scare
them up with my nephew he builds and with me and stuff in resin or fiberglass
no it’s all 3d printing all right PLA 3d printed slow well you say it’s
incredible actually I know I started with a go-kart there’s a hundred pieces
the last thing I did was attractive was 350 pieces I did a bulldozer before that
was 400 pieces individual literally individual pieces Ollie just constantly
using the system I mean exactly and I’ve have I have four
printers now so you know then you can start to reach you and stuff out most
load them up and I’d print like 12 hour runs overnight then have another 12-hour
run for the day shift in the 12-hour run for the night shift and so on just gotta
get on this program makes big ones – yeah and you meet Adam from Google X who
as the foam ones there’s a helicopter that’s amazing yeah absolutely why not
so I’ve got another giant Lego thing coming up which is even bigger still so
I usually do 5 times scale and this one’s 8.34 time scale specific see
there’s a very good reason for this should have been 8.33 recurring but I
rounded up to eight point three Forks is because it’s easier and that is because
that the diameter of a lego technic X or then becomes 40 millimeters and you can
get 40 mil bearings specifically you didn’t want to just have one part be
miss scaled no you had to have an entire drive really appreciate it so a
five-time scale that the bearing is 24 mil so yeah that worked out bang on but
I was gonna say print that size but this makes more sense with a bit of that as
well so there was that the brute bit size to fit a 1 by 4 brick on yeah and
be as big as I can but eight-point-three fool oh my gosh so if
you ran into someone who has a 3d printing company and they say to you oh
you should print some stuff with my printer you just have like here give me
a hundred fifty of these exactly I love it I always have to think about what the
project is oh man well maybe we’ll do a space helmet but I love having a rostrum
yeah yeah you sent me a whole bunch of these yeah good
so yeah bit of that and what else is coming up not been working on my camper
van I think I said no doing a camper conversion so that’s all like CNC
plywood nice really nice to be working in plywood again because I’ve been doing
3d printing in plastic for so long I’ve forgotten about my routing I’ve got a
CNC router and I forgot I used to build everything flat-pack yeah everything was
right how can I make it flat and in knots things in and put like this the
best and I try and do it in one pass right yeah dry and then you do it else
now exactly yeah exactly so I’ve gone back to that no no this is lovely this
working lovely birch plywood and you know this is the smell of it and the
feel of it compared to plastic I believe so we just spent we just did
Silicon Valley comic-con I was showing you my star-lord helmet and we were it
was all 3d printing finishing and painting here yeah so I broke out some
old lacquer primers I had to get us across the line but it was all that kind
of work and so that following the weekend following I just came in here
and did some work wood plywood yeah because it was so nice to glue and
staple and route yep yeah it’s good totally agree so yeah that’s a car thing
that’s it I’m just do you have trips planned with the camper van I’ve been to
France so we did gave it one outing literally
the problem is I can’t do things by halves
and so my girlfriend went oh we should go to France before she starts a new job
and I said yeah okay great right we’ll get the whole camp system built in so I
had two weeks and I’d kind of done I’ve done a lot of the CAD work but I did get
it together and I had like a you know fresh water system and a cooking bid and
a fridge and a day so I did too much in one go so then I took at the France
worked really well but as soon as I got back I stripped it all out and went to
mark three down so yeah so now it’s all going back in again but better thank you
very similar but I would love to go and do here I’d love to go and do a longer
trip I want to do like a couple of months or whatever
Europe or somewhere you know a Scandinavia and stuff agent lightful
yeah did you document all your all your projects and then can your progress logs
and not well enough the problem is so my youtube channel goes up and down through
phases my problem I have I love making things I hate stopping to film them so
you know yeah a nice fun it like the campervan thing I think I just did you
know the CEM prevalence stuff doesn’t do very well either so you’re making it you
know like just that love really okay so you guys what yeah just someone want to
see it you know the Lego does where the giant they go usually does well but I I
just want to make it and I’ve built all the stuff and then I’m well I’m now
gonna set up a table and some lights and talk about it and film it and I don’t do
it as I go along so then I’ve got a backtrack and thing then it comes less
for you yeah yeah totally so exactly yeah and it’s so but then I find I feel
like I have to because every time without filming it yeah so yeah are you
hacking you have to you have to do some stuff without filming yeah yeah that’s
yeah yeah eventually people gonna want that you know the history of v8 yeah all
of them all the problems that were solved mark one mark – yeah mark three
whatever comes down the line maybe one day we’ll be able to do that do you ever
go on to the bb-8 builders group and supply information and not supply
information no too many NDA’s even about mechanical drive systems and
stuff whether they you know they’re always very keen to show me what they’ve
built which is lovely and it’s amazing seeing such a you know incredible
following of that character and what they’re coming up with a naval come up
with slightly different versions away in some of the stuff you know I look at
some of the bills and I’m like much neater than ours and so I think I mean
it’s really really put there there’s a couple of our twos that are mind-blowing
every door open there’s not a single r2 a dial Emma yeah totally exactly yeah
because we build to what we need we build firstly the requirement need to be
exactly so you know there are some stuff out there some stuff out that I’ve
looked tango on yet that’s really nice and it you just want to be able to go if
you did that but I can’t do no no mean it’s really frustrating and and I don’t
think yeah I’ve really given away to I hope I haven’t
they do try and ply me with drink now and again I totally get you on now yeah
too many NDA’s it’s a shame maybe one day you know no one cares anymore
but IIIi you know I think the the the film film can get so much out of these
communities in terms of enthusiasm I love the idea of a future where they
realize that with some give back it is a net positive for everyone you know and
Lucasfilm I mean to be clear Lucasfilm was an early adopter of understanding
that the fans do great stuff and to leave them alone and not send a cease
and desist orders and well totally I mean we have Li Tao Zi and all of us
deep was worked on episode 70 were both fan builders right okay – and Lee’s
still with us in fact I was with him at d23 just just
the other day so that’s awesome yeah that’s what he is really good then we
use fan build droids you know for the film and themselves you know we pull
them in and whatever I don’t income um for a better yeah that’s incredible yeah
it’s really good so you know that is yeah I just I just
think it’s more it’s more about the stuff the new stuff we build them more
yeah that’s funny about but they did let us you know to fair play and when we
came out to do celebration in London as me that suggested actually I finally
went hide you know why don’t we should just show them what was inside BBA
everyone was asking about it and we couldn’t say anything and you know does
it really matter anymore to know you know yeah and the answer came back yeah
sure I was shocked actually had to convince Josh the other engineers show
it because they could see how I built it they can’t see your software so that
could in fact my boss Neal Scanlan convinced Joss that there’s a cool thing
to do you know and so the very last shot so a lot of the audience are a bit like
why are we looking at this inside of this mech but then a load of the droids
oh and now we have a whole load of builds who are building the mark-1 bb-8
exactly as it was and we and I’ve met them are gone you know we wouldn’t do it
that way anymore okay I want it to be screen accurate to hell them all yeah
totally get that one yeah way there well next time we see one on stage and
the next time I pick it event will see the will appreciate animation but we’ll
also see that you’re behind the curtain appreciate always yeah exhibit
I’m delighted that you’ve made it over to the caves thanks for being on our
podcast delighted to have gold here absolutely amazing thank you of course
you’re welcome anytime thank you very much